it is not simplistic it is the simple truth think of the headlines from virginia tech to this these are individuals who felt rejected by parents, women, coworkers, other students and out of anger and rage seek revenge and with revenge comes guilt and self destruction or suicide as many do after they stop killing others
psychiatrists are often troubled medical students who go into psychiatry to treat themselves
he knew what he was doing and that he expected to die he cleaned out his fridge and apartment
This story was in our news headlines here but not much detail. Still we were so sorry to hear it. May all involved be blessed.
This business of "love" is simple, yet complex. I know friends who were loved by parents, say they felt loved by parents but who come across as lonely, needy, who are quick to anger, need to be right, have been depressed and yet always talk about being loved; and all I can say is that no matter whether you are/were loved by parents or not it is important that we all learn to love, accept and know ourselves. Our contentment, peace, happiness is already deep inside ourselves and we only have to go there and then we truly know LOVE. Or as the great poet Rumi said "Everything in the universe is within you. Ask for everything from yourself." Blessings on us all as we learn to love ourselves.
About suicide. I kept this quote from a novel to discuss with the kids: "Suicide can be a healthy impulse gone wrong, a desire to kill a part of the self that really does need to die so something else can grow. It's a terrible mistake to kill the body you need for that transformation." - Joan Weimer. Let's take a small moment to send peace to all suffering thoughts of revenge and thoughts of suicide.
margaret i said often not every psychiatrist have you gone to medical school? people choose specialties for healthy and unhealthy reasons look at dear jack kevorkian and his issues with death and my choosing surgery as a reaction formation to my destructive tendencies
read the books of psychiatrist karl menninger man against himself love against hate and many more
Bernie, I didn't choose to be a psychologist/counselor because I wanted to treat myself. I sincerely wanted to help people find their way back from the pain of mental illness. 95% of the Psychiatrists I work with are very stable and are fascinated with mental functioning/psychosis, etc. They sincerely want to help these people. Many of the patients would be "locked up" if we didn't have Psychiatrists to understand brain chemistry and how anti-psychotics medications help people with severe mental illness!
I don't think you wanted to be a surgeon so you could cut people open or at least I hope you didn't choose surgery for that purpose! OB/GYN's don't choose their specialty because they want to look at female genitalia all day or because they are unsure of their sexuality.....you get the picture!
If you work with patients who are severely depressed, suicidal or suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder, you could easily have a mental breakdown or severe burnout. He obviously was scared and did not want to be deployed to a war zone. He knows the reality of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan from listening to the soldiers stories when they returned home from deployment. Remember that he only heard the horror stories!
I hope the victims of this tragedy get the help they need spiritually, physically and financially! It will take them a long time to find their way back to their normal selves, if ever! They are in my thoughts and prayers.
folks i quit i am not generalizing i am talking about him and his history and evaluation he shouldn't have been ordered to go overseas his record as a psychiatrist was very poor he should have received help he was a troubled and lonely man if he was against war and violence why didn't he kill himself and not others
i always remember tony, an HIV+ abused teenager, who told me he was going to commit suicide. i said we can get a gun and kill your parents instead he said, "no i never want to be like them." he taught me about love
Bernie, Most sociopaths/psychopaths have no conscience and are too scared to kill themselves. They want to make a big splash and have someone else kill them. Most of them get their wish. This time it didn't work and he will have to answer for what he did.
I agree that he should have been screened closer. Medical officers aren't watched as closely as they should be. His superiors should have listened and not required him to deploy. He should have been discharged due to mental instability.
Unfortunately, none of this happened and his actions can't be reversed. Perhaps the military has learned something from this tragedy.
It's sad that we only listen when something horrible happens!
This was on the news again last night and people are talking about why he did it but we don't know. I talked to my mother about this after she wrote on here and told her what my friends said, and she said it's OK to analyse to understand so long as it doesn't invade our compassion, or something like that, but we really don't know. A couple of my friends wanted to commit suicide and I know why they wanted to but no-one can know why this man killed people because he hasn't told them and he mightn't even know himself.
Mum went back to hospital at 4am this morning because the Emend and the Kytril and the injection didn't stop the vomits and she is dried out and needs a drip. But Ma will be home when the vomits stop and she is all irrigated again so she is OK
Bernie, why do you say "folks I quit"? It sounds as if you are having a big sigh and that you are crabby, so I read what you say thinking you are crabby. It's like saying "I give up" in a fight and then still having your say because you know you are right. When we can't see each other we have to be more patient trying to explain things. Like when you are on the radio and you say the same stories over and over again so people understand. But I don't like you saying "folks I quit" and having a go at Margaret saying "have you been to medical school" because it reads in my head as if you are crabby that we don't get it. My sister and I had a misunderstanding last week. It wasn't really a fight but I didn't understand what she was telling me and she was annoyed with me. Then she said sometimes you are just so slow Cath that I cant be that patient but I wished we had tails and not just mouths for words. Then you could see that my tail is still wagging so I am still happy to see you. When we said sorry we acted as if we were wagging our tails with our hands out the back of us and now we do it for fun so the other one can see we are not very annoyed. But we can't do that on here. luv Cathy xx
Bernie I only ever tell my own family I love them because when I have a boyfriend I want to marry I want it to be special when I say I love you but since you said it first I can say I love you back.
I started to tell Ma what I felt when I read what you said but she stopped me and said don't tell me, just think about it, don't respond quickly and if you want to say something then do so, but be kind. She says all the time "always be kind, it is never wasted". But I don't want to be a therapist. I wouldn't be any good at that. I leave soon to go to my new job and I want Ma to be able to go on the drive to Charleville with Papa and me so will you pray she can be well please. Thanks. luv Cathy xxxoooxxxooo (extra hugs and kisses so you can see I love you back)
