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jkraker

Registered: 06/13/06
Posts: 6
 #1 
Kathy, a close friend whose husband has liver cancer asked if I could provide review/assessment of the Cancer Treatment Center of America hospital in Zion, IL (www.cancercenter.com). I know of no better place to raise such a question than this forum.

Can any of you help guide her?

Kathy became aware of this center in a way that makes her think it's inspired guidance. But she also anticipates her husband will want substantial, positive reviews on the place before seeking treatment there, when time is of the essence.

Thanks and blessings,


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rvandenbosch

Registered: 03/10/04
Posts: 4,169
 #2 

Hi Jay,

I'm sorry, but I have only seen their advertisements on TV and know of no one who has been a patient in one of their hospitals.  I will ask my physician friends and nurse friends what they have heard and if they refer anyone there.

 

Good luck,


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Ruth
jkraker

Registered: 06/13/06
Posts: 6
 #3 
Thanks, Ruth. I also found a useful discussion board thread on http://www.cancerforums.net/post-16290.html.



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mdlove

Registered: 03/13/04
Posts: 4,214
 #4 
i like their attitude and what they are doing. also in san diego oasis of hope hospital with dr, francisco contreras. they are both open minded and pursuing various treatments and patient care not just focusing on the disease.
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mikie4303

Registered: 01/16/10
Posts: 1
 #5 
I actually live in Zion, IL and thought the Cancer Center would be ideal for treating my prostate cancer.  The first time I called they asked for my insurance information.  No interest in my health situation.  Upon learning that I was insured under Medicare, I was told they would call back in two hours.  No call.  A week later I called again and stated that I was still waiting for a call back.  The new person apologized, asked me for my insurance information and said they would call back by 3:00 PM that day.  I'm still waiting...

I have since been attended to by Northwestern Memorial Hospital in Chicago where the treatment is superb.  The drive from Zion is well worth it and I am perversely grateful that The Cancer Center of America was only interested in my insurance status.

dlippincott

Registered: 08/11/10
Posts: 3
 #6 

You're lucky you dodge a bullet. They are a moneymaking machine that preys on end-stage cancer patient whom have no more options and nowhere else to turn. They only accept patients with superior insurance or have a personal wealth of at least 250,000. When they exhaust your insurance or your personal bank account this is when they tell you they can't do anything for you even though the knew this from the very start. I know because i used to work there in patient care. I no longer work there because my conscience wouldn't allow me to.

golfs4fun

Registered: 08/16/10
Posts: 1
 #7 
CTCA is a great place  and even better place to  have your life saved.. Take a look at the stats, they prolong lives of stage 4 cancer patientm. when other places have given up they will look at options and tell you if they cannot provide the.....look at pancreatic statistics. How many hosptials help you with transportation costs???
  As for the Medicare patient, they are a for profit hospital....how do you think they make a profit.  Have yo seen the medicare reimbursement rates???? pennies on the tens of dollar.  They do accept medicare..If you think that is bad, wait until Obama Care takes over and you can't get treatment anywhere.   How do we as an American People think our health care will be covered....Have you ever looked  at Canada or England's health care system...people don't get MRI's or care on demand/

 They will be a shinning example of how to provide total healthcare to patients in the future.  if you are lucky enough to be able to go to CTCA I would not go anywhere else.
rvandenbosch

Registered: 03/10/04
Posts: 4,169
 #8 

For those of us who do not have healthcare and are too young for Medicare or qualify for Medicaid, Health Care Reform is better than nothing.   I'm so sick of all of the politics in Medicine.  There is so much waste in the Health Care Industy that something has to be done.  Let's give it a chance!


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dlippincott

Registered: 08/11/10
Posts: 3
 #9 
To golfs4fun:
 
Have you ever worked there? Have you ever been a patient? Have you seen patients with stage four cancer despite to hang on to thier lives? Have you even researched the reviews on CTCA?
 
I have done it all. What may have started as a noble idea by Mr. Stephanson is now just like any other private corporation. The difference is if you have money they will sell you hope. If you don't too bad. I guess some hope is better than none but it comes with a price.
 
As far as stats are concerned. Stage four cancer patient at a certain point do not want their lives prolonged. The shame of it is that CTCA doesn't tell them that..they tell them that they can "cure" it. When the money runs out that when they show these patients the door.
 
Shame on them!
dlippincott

Registered: 08/11/10
Posts: 3
 #10 

Cancer Treatment Centers of America was the subject of a Federal Trade Commission (FTC) complaint in 1993. The FTC alleged that CTCA made false claims regarding the success rates of certain cancer treatments in their promotional materials. This claim was settled in March 1996, requiring CTCA to discontinue use of any unsubstantiated claims in their advertising[9]. CTCA is also required to have proven, scientific evidence for all statements regarding the safety, success rates, endorsements, and benefits of their cancer treatments. CTCA was also required to follow various steps in order to report compliance to the FTC per the settlement.

Cancer centers and hospitals in general (including Cancer Treatment Centers of America) have been the subjects of some controversy over their advertising.[10][11] Many doctors and other observers[12] have noted that many cancer organizations' advertising are sparsely regulated and, therefore, often contain unsupported and misleading claims as to the efficacy of their cancer treatments.[13][14][15]

jann

Registered: 07/12/09
Posts: 141
 #11 
First, I will say that I am a Canadian, and lived there up until 5 years ago. I am now 53. I have had nothing but incredible superior care my entire life. Also, I am currently planning on moving back there to get care for my 4th stage cancer because this US health INDUSTRY is absolutely insane, and as Ruth said here in so many words - a political and industrial nightmare. Health CARE is what is needed, and the country needs to find ways to take care of it's citizens, as do so many other countries, Canada included! When I first started on Avastin treatment, the oncology center was charging 60,000 per month to my insurance, which would have eaten up my lifetime max in about 14 months. Now there is another thing - what the hell is this lifetime max garbage??
Don't get me started. I have picketed, written letters to Congress, was asked to speak at a congressional hearing, was asked to write about my experience so the powers that be could take it to Congress, researched the company Genentech who developed Avastin, researched the actual costs, what it would cost to receive it in other countries (yes, Canada included) and more. As dippincott is experienced (first hand at that!) with the issues at CTCA, I am now well versed in cancer financial 'battles' and issues. 
Oh, and any time I needed anything - MRI, whatever while I was in Canada, it was as simple as getting the referral from my doctor and off I went to get it booked and have it! I wasn't afraid in Canada to go to the doctor when I wasn't feeling well, had cold or flu symptoms, etc. Here in the US I see so many people who simply don't go because of the COST - so remain ill for long periods of time until it gets bad enough that they have to go to emergency, which I finally found out, in most hospitals has to treat them. Now how is that taking care of one's citizens? Let me tell you folks - anything is better than the system and INDUSTRY that you have now.

I appreciate the information on the CTCA, because at one point earlier in my diagnosis I was looking into maybe going. I did have a feeling that they were a money pit, but didn't know for sure. I asked them though, approximately - ballpark -ANYTHING -  how much that first 'meeting', tests, diagnosis, talks, whatever - would cost me, or how much they would charge my insurance, but I never could get an answer out of them. They would not answer me. How crazy is that? 

Sorry for any rant here, but again, any reform is better than whats going on with the Health Industry in this country at this point! Oh - and again, Canada's system has been great to me. That's why I am going back, and this is from a person that has experienced BOTH, with an advanced disease.

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Jan
colin

Registered: 09/06/10
Posts: 1
 #12 
CTCA is against health care reform.  Stephenson is a republican backer.  I think Golfs4fun is working for CTCA.  I also think he is a Republican.
colette04

Registered: 09/21/11
Posts: 1
 #13 
CTCA is definately a scam to get insurance money and they prey on victims with stage end cancer that are looking for miracles. My mother had colon cancer that spread to her liver and was given 9 months to live upon diagnosis . She saw the commercial on television and felt that this was her answer. You cant tell a cancer patient that its a rip off when they are looking for hope so off we went. They paid the flight and treated us like gold , so kind, so compassionate. Free food etc. Thats the hook, they rope you in thinking ' this is the place". Once they take down your insurance info and your mortgage information < they love it when you own your home and have a relatively low mortgage> Had she not gone to Zion IL she would have had a much more comfortable last few months. They wanted her to stay for 3 months and receive radiation treatments on the colon- which I cant even go into detail of how horrendous that was and she almost died from that treatment alone. They gave her direct chemo to the liver and she had to lay absolutely still for a very long time. It was a good thing I was there to watch her because there was no nurse making sure she didnt move or to care for her during that time. 
To make a long story short, radiation of the colon when you have liver cancer is like treating the finger when the arm is broken, totally wrong! 
Dont let your loved ones fall for this commercial they see- make them read this thread first as there are others who realise on this forum what a rip off this place is and how they take advantage of patients and families. Her bill totalled over 100 k and they put a lean on her home for the amount. Another thing i might add is DO NOT SIGN ANYTHING that will make you responsible for anything. They will try to get loved ones to sign documents . Make sure the patient takes total responsibility and solely. If you are their spouse, their child or even a friend, DO NOT sign any documents that will hold you liable.
I hope this information helps anyone that needs it and I wish you all the very best.
Colette

newgrandma

Registered: 07/02/13
Posts: 1
 #14 
my friend also fell into this trap, and - GUESS WHAT! -she's dead(she had end stage ovarian cancer and all treatment st home was exhausted....by what i understand most of the early commercial suckers are dead also(have read other pages on individuals)...and to add insult to injury we live in houston, texas with the md anderson cancer center, for god's sake...to start with my buddy was not too bright with this whole ordeal to start with (i dearly loved her but have to face facts): she continued HRT medications way after it was known that this was dangerous, had only a previous partial hystorectomy leaving in the ovaries, and was kind a "diva" patient...her surgery was done in one of our medical center hospitals that specializes in heart surgery, her chemo in one of the filthiest kelsey sebold clinics i have ever seen with patients lined up for chemo therapy like cattle...not one of her doctors(surgeon or oncologist) had priveleges at md anderson, and that would have been a red flag for me(lost another cousin to cancer whose dr practiced at a general surgery hospital only), and she never even went for a second opinion which i highly recommend even if it cost extra...and she never went into severe neropathy until after she started flying to freaking arizona for treatments..her bowel was totally uncontrolled at this point, and her thinking was totally shot...they also loaded up with EXPENSIVE vitamins, yada, yada that were not going to help this poor dying woman and which cost a fortune that ins did not pay...i have tried every way i can to get some news outlet to pay attention to this whack job con job with no results...know a good expose' documentary  person i can call on????
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